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DrScreed
12-24-2008, 07:26 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C470892%2C00.html

Ballot Madness: Tipping the Scales in Minnesota's Senate Recount

Monday , December 22, 2008
John R. Lott, Jr. and Ryan S. Lott



The Canvassing Board overseeing the vote recount for Minnesota’s tightly contested U.S. Senate race isn’t quite done examining disputed ballots, but using their numbers the Minnesota Star Tribune issued a projection Saturday night that Al Franken will pick up 270 votes when the board is finished. Currently the board is determining voter intent in disputed ballots. If the projection proves correct, Franken will beat incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman by 78 votes (http://johnrlott.tripod.com/other/MNBallotChallengeProj.html).
Vote totals have changed a lot since Nov. 4, when Coleman led Franken by 725 (http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=529171&catid=2) votes. Correcting typos cut Coleman’s margin to 215 (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-recount20-2008dec20,0,115120.story), and a recount by all the counties reduced it further to 192 (http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/35607614.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUHPYDiaK7DUiD3aPc: _Yyc:aUU). Yet, the additional 270 votes picked up by Franken from the Canvassing Board’s decisions have been among the most controversial...










You really need to follow the link and see examples of the ballots that are being counted and should be tossed. IMO
twila
12-24-2008, 11:22 PM
Makes one wonder if votes were delivered by horseback and counted by pre-schoolers. What century are these people living in, anyway. :rolleyes: Even Iraq did a million times better and they are brand new at this election stuff. Maybe those who vote should be foreced to stick their fingers in ink too. GEEZ!
Beancounter
12-28-2008, 08:29 PM
At what point do they say "scrap this, let's have a do-over." Is that even possible? I mean, how can they consider any count legitimate at this point? "Let's see...we'll go with the original count in Geezer County, but with the one in Old Fart County we're gonna recount. Let's not forget the votes Judge Jughead left in the back of the car..."
DrScreed
12-28-2008, 08:36 PM
At what point do they say "scrap this, let's have a do-over." Is that even possible? I mean, how can they consider any count legitimate at this point? "Let's see...we'll go with the original count in Geezer County, but with the one in Old Fart County we're gonna recount. Let's not forget the votes Judge Jughead left in the back of the car..."


That is what they need to do is have a new election on Feb 5th and try again and say if you fill out the ballot wrong it does not count, if your ballot is late it does not count and re-vote!
Christopher
12-28-2008, 08:47 PM
Here's an interesting update for this race http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_11319545?nclick_check=1
DrScreed
12-28-2008, 08:49 PM
Here's an interesting update for this race http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_11319545?nclick_check=1
maybe not:p
twila
12-28-2008, 10:58 PM
At what point do they say "scrap this, let's have a do-over." Is that even possible? I mean, how can they consider any count legitimate at this point? "Let's see...we'll go with the original count in Geezer County, but with the one in Old Fart County we're gonna recount. Let's not forget the votes Judge Jughead left in the back of the car..."


I doubt it would be any better. Maybe they should rent out all the auditoriums, gyms, and American Legion Halls and pack them full of people. They could set up an applause meter and see which candidate gets the most applause.
This whole thing is ludicrous!
Beancounter
12-29-2008, 01:28 PM
Here's an interesting update for this race http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_11319545?nclick_check=1

"Explorer cannot display page"....??

That is what they need to do is have a new election on Feb 5th and try again and say if you fill out the ballot wrong it does not count, if your ballot is late it does not count and re-vote!

I agree, but then of course comes all the crap and nonsense from those who "can't make it" to vote that day but did on the original day and that's not fair, etc, etc, etc.......

I can't imagine how they think ANY method is fair or acceptable at this point anyway.
Christopher
12-29-2008, 01:52 PM
Maybe this one will work for more that 5 minutes http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_11319545?nclick_check=1
Beancounter
12-29-2008, 02:06 PM
Maybe this one will work for more that 5 minutes
http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_11319545?nclick_check=1

Ok, that one worked. I guess that's the best they can do; I can't really blame them for having to make a judgement call on whether votes were duplicated or lost, and what the idiots meant when the ballot was unclear, but fer cryin' out loud. How can we STILL be getting this so terribly wrong? It's not like it's the first time for a vote, nor is it the first time for a screw-up from which we should've learned to prevent.
Christopher
12-29-2008, 02:17 PM
It's only a screw up when the vote count is close and an R is in the lead, remember?
Beancounter
12-29-2008, 02:30 PM
It's only a screw up when the vote count is close and an R is in the lead, remember?

Silly me, how quickly I forget....
DrScreed
12-29-2008, 06:00 PM
I think this is another reason why election laws should be very similar state to state. That way Neither aprty can manipulate the results, I actually like the 51% or another election just like in GA.